The defense has finally scored some points with the Deanna Coleman secret recordings.

Bob White a co-defendant is talking to Coleman. They are talking about who knows what in the conspiracy.

White says, "I can't say for sure if Tom knows."

Coleman responds. "Tom knows. He doesn't want to think about it."

Coleman then says, " I think Tom believes these are real deals half the time."

White then says, " I don't know for sure what Tom knows you know, and he lives in this fantasy world once in a while."

Coleman says, "Once in a while and all the time."

In another recorded conversation between Coleman and Larry Reynolds, another co-defendant says, "Tom is in complete denial. He talks to me all the time like these are real purchase orders."